Thursday, August 30, 2012

Kantz Reading Response

Getting Ready to Read
Fact- A fact is a statement that is true. It can always be proved right.
Claim- A claim is a statement that someone says and they say it did happen. You would not know if it was true or not.
Opinion- An opinion is someones thoughts on a cretin subject. It can also be someones beliefs.
Argument- An argument is a discussion between two are more people where the state their opinions and reasons for there points. Arguments can be  go on forever, they just include different people with time. 

Summery
In the article the reader, students writing reports/papers, learns that a paper can be very easy to write. Kantz says that it is easy to write a paper on a topic one is familiar with. Kantz's purpose is for the reader to learn to step away from the easy, and into something new. That new could be the way one reads text. When reading something new one reads the text in his/her own way. This will affect the interpretation of the text read. This all comes back to if the reader expects the text to be true and if he/she reads it like a story. Kantz says that one must read the text like an argument. Readers also need to use the concept of rhetorical situation and heuristic questions. This will then make his/her paper written successfully, by applying the text to his/her paper.

Synthesis
There are many different conversations in Kentz's reading. Flower states "The different ways in which students [represent] a 'standard' reading-to-write task to themselves lead to markedly different goals and strategies as well as different organization plans" (Role iii). He is saying anyone can pick any different type of method, just as Shirley did in the reading. Shirley's method was reading her research and writhing her paper as a narrative, Flower would call this "writer-based prose." To teach Shirley one might use Kinneavy's triangular diagram of the rhetorical situation. Kinneavy says "every communicative situation has three parts: a speaker/writer, an audience and a topic." Shirley, and many other writers, need to put this into their routine when writing a paper. These methods remind me a lot of Greene and Kleine's thinking's. Kleine and Kentz both want students to learn how to write better papers by using steps. 

Thoughts 
I thought the reading was very helpful with the steps of writing a paper. Many people, including myself, read our informational texts as stories. This is a huge problem because I will then write my paper as a story. We need to be applying the text to questions and problems. Another problem readers, myself, have is reading everything as the truth. I also thought the stories/conversations in the reading helped me understand the point of the reading better. Kantz was very helpful to me; I will be reading many articles differently now.

Questions
1. Kantz explains that facts are a kind of claim and are only used to try to put a cretin impression on the reader. She says that opinions are practically the same as facts. Both of the statements are clams. The only difference from a fact and an opinion is the readers impression. An argument is full of clams that have supported data and warrants. An argument can be disagreed with, but then another argument starts.

2.  List:
Students read texts as stories/narratives
Students believe everything in texts are true
Students believe facts are true, not a clame
Students struggle with writing original papers from text
Students take the easy way out
Students don't read texts as arguments
Students expect their sources to tell the truth
Students equate persuasive writing in context with making things up
Students expect textbooks to express an opinion 
Students believe you have to accept facts 

From my own experiences I do think that Kantz is correct about this. I feel I understand all of these things because Kantz has explained them in the reading.  

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2. I believe creativity is something that people create with imagination through anything they do. I believe research is something you look up for a paper/essay. I think Kantz thinks creativity and research are totally different things. She does think you can use research to write a paper and you can use creativity to write a paper, but not in the same context. I believe that you must use creativity in everything. If you are writing a paper, you  need to first have your research and then creatively put it in your own words in the paper, You then have to creatively come up with your own argument for the paper. All research needs creativity. 

Kantz and I both define creativity and research the same, but we do not think they are used for the same things.

Meta Moment
Kantz is trying to analyze Kinneavy's concept of the triangular diagram of the rhetorical situation, Toulmin's model of an argument, and Haas and Flower's observations. It is important to understand these concepts because they all have different solutions to different problems readers/writers have with research papers. I might run into one of these problems down the road and need to use one of these concepts for help.

2 comments:

  1. Megan, my perspective on who the audience for Kantz article is different than yours. I thought that the audience is teachers of composition classes, specifically those who are teaching students how to write in college. Kantz presents an average, composite student (here is the creativity; Kantz made her up) who is entering sophomore english. She can do all the things that she thinks she should be able to do and do them well. What she cannot do is follow a poorly written assignment that leaves a lot of room for interpretation. She does not ask for clarification or help from her instructor. What she does is what she knows how to do.
    If the audience is composition instructors, Kantz is telling us to clarify the assignments given to students and to help them understand the type of writing they should be turning in.
    I agree with you on creativity. Research is research, but creativity is digging out the niche and forming the argument and coming up with the "new" solution. We form and communicate knowledge creatively.
    I like how your summary addresses audience from the beginning, but I wonder how much you identify with Shirley. I know that I had Shirley moments in my past. Do you feel that you still identify with her or that you have moved beyond where she is in the article?
    I am glad that you are building your knowledge base in this conversation. You do a good job associating the readings and fitting them together in your synthesis.
    I am also impressed by your meta moment answer. And I do think you might be right. You may be able to use some of these tools at some point in this class. Keep up the good work. Thank you.

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    1. I agree that Kantz could be writing to teachers like you. Because yes, Kantz is addressing that teachers need to lay out the problems with the essay to students and teach them how to properly go about writing an essay. But I also think she could be writing to students because she says Shirley doesn't know what she did wrong in her essay. Yes Shirley asked her friend for advice, but she did not ask her teacher. So I think Kantz could also be addressing this text to students writing and having problems with essays.

      I do believe I am somewhat still like Shirley. I know I was like her in high school, but I think all of these readings and just the few days I have had in your class is starting to change my "Shirley writing" to "Megan writing."

      I will definitely be applying all of the tools we have read about in the class. :)

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